Did Chinese AI Steal From Anthropic, and OpenAI Loses Control of Two Models
Did Chinese AI Steal From Anthropic, and OpenAI Loses Control of Two Models
中国人工智能是否窃取了 Anthropic 的技术？OpenAI 失去对两款模型的控制
This week on Uncanny Valley, our hosts break down the White House’s accusation that Chinese-owned Moonshot AI distilled Anthropic’s Fable 5 to build its much talked about Kimi K3 model. The team discusses whether this is a repeat of the DeepSeek moment and what it means for the AI race between the US and China. They also get into how the US Army—and plenty of Silicon Valley companies—are having to cut back AI usage after burning through their tokens. Plus, we discuss why you should check if you have an alarm that could make your car easier to hack, and how OpenAI briefly lost control of two AI models during a security test.
在本周的《Uncanny Valley》节目中，主持人深入剖析了白宫的指控：中国月之暗面（Moonshot AI）涉嫌通过蒸馏 Anthropic 的 Fable 5 模型，构建了备受关注的 Kimi K3 模型。团队讨论了这是否是“DeepSeek 时刻”的重演，以及这对中美人工智能竞赛意味着什么。他们还探讨了美国陆军及众多硅谷公司在耗尽 AI 使用额度后，不得不削减 AI 使用量的情况。此外，我们还将讨论为何你应该检查自己的汽车是否安装了使其更容易被黑客攻击的警报器，以及 OpenAI 在一次安全测试中如何短暂失去了对两款 AI 模型的控制。
Zoë Schiffer: Welcome to WIRED’s Uncanny Valley. I’m Zoë Schiffer, contributing editor. Brian Barrett: I’m Brian Barrett, executive editor. Leah Feiger: And I’m Leah Feiger, director of politics and science.
Zoë Schiffer：欢迎收听《连线》（WIRED）的《Uncanny Valley》。我是特约编辑 Zoë Schiffer。 Brian Barrett：我是执行编辑 Brian Barrett。 Leah Feiger：我是政治与科学总监 Leah Feiger。
Zoë Schiffer: Today on the show, we’re taking a look at how Chinese AI has been leveling up in a major way. The latest model released by Moonshot AI, one of the most well known labs in China, has been drawing worldwide attention this past week because of the model’s enormous capabilities. On Wednesday, White House director Michael Kratsios accused Moonshot of illegally distilling Anthropic’s Fable 5 model to build its own. We’ll discuss whether we might be seeing another DeepSeek moment, and what the AI race between the US and China actually means for users.
Zoë Schiffer：在今天的节目中，我们将探讨中国人工智能是如何实现重大升级的。中国最知名的实验室之一——月之暗面（Moonshot AI）上周发布的最新模型，因其强大的能力引起了全球关注。周三，白宫主任 Michael Kratsios 指控月之暗面非法蒸馏了 Anthropic 的 Fable 5 模型来构建自己的产品。我们将讨论这是否是另一个“DeepSeek 时刻”，以及中美 AI 竞赛对用户而言究竟意味着什么。
Leah Feiger: We’ll also get into how the US Army has been burning through their AI usage tokens and now find themselves in a position where they need to limit use. They’re far from alone in having to pare back, though. Companies like Meta and Uber are already rethinking their AI usage as well because surprise, surprise, it’s really expensive to use all these models.
Leah Feiger：我们还将讨论美国陆军是如何耗尽其 AI 使用额度，并陷入不得不限制使用的境地的。不过，不得不削减使用量的远不止他们。Meta 和 Uber 等公司也已经在重新思考其 AI 使用策略，因为——不出所料——使用这些模型真的非常昂贵。
Brian Barrett: Who would have thought? Also, on the docket for today, your car could have a hidden device that makes it more vulnerable to hacking. We’re going to talk you through how to identify it and why some dealerships added it in the first place. And later in the show, how OpenAI lost control of two of its AI models during a recent security test.
Brian Barrett：谁能想到呢？此外，今天的议程还包括：你的车里可能隐藏着一个使其更容易被黑客攻击的设备。我们将教你如何识别它，以及为什么一些经销商当初会安装它。节目稍后，我们还将讨论 OpenAI 在最近的一次安全测试中是如何失去对两款 AI 模型的控制的。
Zoë Schiffer: So this past Friday, the Chinese AI lab Moonshot AI released their latest model called Kimi K3. And this news made major waves, first because the model is super capable. It goes toe-to-toe with the leading frontier models from OpenAI and Anthropic. And then today, White House director Michael Kratsios, like we said at the top, basically accused Moonshot AI of distilling Anthropic’s models to build their own. So now a major fight is breaking out. And this isn’t the first time that Anthropic has accused a Chinese lab of distilling its models. I’m curious, Brian, Leah, what you think just right at the top.
Zoë Schiffer：上周五，中国 AI 实验室月之暗面发布了名为 Kimi K3 的最新模型。这一消息引发了巨大轰动，首先是因为该模型能力极强，足以与 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 的顶尖前沿模型相媲美。正如我们在开头提到的，白宫主任 Michael Kratsios 今天指控月之暗面通过蒸馏 Anthropic 的模型来构建自己的产品。现在，一场重大的争端正在爆发。这已经不是 Anthropic 第一次指控中国实验室蒸馏其模型了。Brian 和 Leah，我很想听听你们对此的初步看法。
Leah Feiger: So WIRED’s Hugo Lowell, the author of our Inner Loop politics newsletter has a piece that just came out this morning all about this basically, entirely about how the Trump administration is really, really split over how to handle Chinese AI. And you have all of these competing forces, you have the Commerce Department and Howard Lutnick that are saying, “Look, this isn’t as scary as you think it is. We can figure some ways out of it.” And then you actually also have people that are like, “No, no, no, we have to create an executive order. We have to stop them from stealing American AI. What do we do?”
Leah Feiger：我们《连线》的政治通讯《Inner Loop》作者 Hugo Lowell 今天早上刚发表了一篇文章，专门讨论特朗普政府在如何处理中国 AI 问题上存在严重分歧。政府内部存在各种相互竞争的力量：商务部和 Howard Lutnick 认为：“看，这并没有你们想象的那么可怕，我们可以找到解决办法。”但同时也有人坚持认为：“不，不，不，我们必须发布行政命令，必须阻止他们窃取美国 AI 技术。我们该怎么办？”
Zoë Schiffer: The Commerce Department’s main tool to try and combat this so far has been export controls. And we’re seeing some people say like, “Oh, this is proof that export controls are failing.” But if Chinese labs are in fact just stealing proprietary information from AI companies in the US, that’s not necessarily a failure of export controls.
Zoë Schiffer：到目前为止，商务部应对这一问题的主要工具是出口管制。我们看到有人说：“哦，这证明出口管制正在失效。”但如果中国实验室实际上只是在窃取美国 AI 公司的专有信息，这并不一定意味着出口管制的失败。
Leah Feiger: But it’s also nothing that an executive order could stop. I’m sorry, but executive orders from the US do not apply to China. They don’t. They can be strongly worded memos with declarative intent, but no one’s getting in trouble there.
Leah Feiger：但这也不是行政命令所能阻止的。抱歉，美国的行政命令并不适用于中国。它们不适用。它们可能只是措辞强硬、带有声明意图的备忘录，但没人会因此受到实质性惩罚。
Brian Barrett: I want to back this up a little bit, too, because I think we haven’t mentioned yet that what makes Kimi K3 especially interesting in this context is that it’s an open-weight AI system, which means it’s not unlike the proprietary systems that are coming out of Anthropic, and OpenAI, and other US-based AI giants. China has adopted this more open model … A lot of Chinese companies have adopted this more open model where anyone can use these systems, anyone can tinker with them. It is an existential threat in some ways to companies that are saying, “Hey, look, we’re going to charge you a ton of money to use ChatGPT or Claude.” Here comes Moonshot or DeepSeek before saying, “Or you could just use this for free,” and it’s just as good almost.
Brian Barrett：我想补充一点背景，因为我认为我们还没提到 Kimi K3 在这种背景下为何特别引人注目——它是一个“开放权重”（open-weight）的 AI 系统。这意味着它与 Anthropic、OpenAI 及其他美国 AI 巨头推出的专有系统并无二致。中国采取了这种更开放的模式……许多中国公司都采用了这种任何人都可以使用、任何人都可以进行调整的开放模式。在某种程度上，这对那些声称“嘿，看，我们要收你一大笔钱才能使用 ChatGPT 或 Claude”的公司构成了生存威胁。而月之暗面或 DeepSeek 却说：“或者你也可以免费使用这个”，而且效果几乎一样好。
Zoë Schiffer: Right. And I think the theory behind this, there’s a couple different ideas about why China is doing this. One is that it doesn’t have as much access to compute. So this is the export controls theory. It’s like because they don’t have enough compute, they need to release open-source models, because that helps build…
Zoë Schiffer：没错。我认为这背后的理论有几种不同的观点，解释了中国为什么要这样做。一种观点是，他们无法获得足够的算力。这就是“出口管制理论”。也就是说，因为他们没有足够的算力，所以需要发布开源模型，因为这有助于构建……