Nvidia’s Open Source Alliance Is Missing Some Key Names: OpenAI and Anthropic
Nvidia’s Open Source Alliance Is Missing Some Key Names: OpenAI and Anthropic
英伟达开源联盟缺席关键成员：OpenAI 与 Anthropic
This week on Uncanny Valley, the team discusses the launch of Nvidia’s splashy alliance to push for open-source AI security alongside companies like Microsoft, SpaceX, and Palantir. Notably absent? OpenAI and Anthropic. Brian Barrett, Zoë Schiffer, and Leah Feiger break down what the split means for the industry, and the Trump administration’s own shifting opinions on AI. Plus, we discuss how Claude conversations turned up in Google and Bing search results, and the massive feat of how four whales were rescued and transported from Canada to Chicago.
在本周的《Uncanny Valley》节目中，团队讨论了英伟达（Nvidia）联合微软、SpaceX 和 Palantir 等公司推出的重磅开源 AI 安全联盟。值得注意的是，OpenAI 和 Anthropic 缺席了该联盟。Brian Barrett、Zoë Schiffer 和 Leah Feiger 深入剖析了这一分歧对行业意味着什么，以及特朗普政府在 AI 问题上不断变化的立场。此外，我们还讨论了 Claude 对话内容为何会出现在谷歌和必应的搜索结果中，以及四头白鲸从加拿大被营救并运往芝加哥的壮举。
Zoë Schiffer: Welcome to WIRED’s Uncanny Valley. I’m Zoë Schiffer, contributing editor. Zoë Schiffer: 欢迎收听《连线》（WIRED）的《Uncanny Valley》节目。我是特约编辑 Zoë Schiffer。
Brian Barrett: I’m Brian Barrett, executive editor. Brian Barrett: 我是执行编辑 Brian Barrett。
Leah Feiger: And I’m Leah Feiger, director of politics and science. Leah Feiger: 我是政治与科学总监 Leah Feiger。
Zoë Schiffer: Today on the show, we’re diving into the open source versus closed AI debate that has been completely taking over Silicon Valley this past week. On Monday, Nvidia announced it was joining forces with a whole bunch of companies, including Microsoft, SpaceX, IBM, to build and share open source AI security tools. We’re going to get into the debate why it’s heating up and whether this could be an inflection point for how AI actually gets made in the United States.
Zoë Schiffer: 今天节目中，我们将深入探讨过去一周席卷硅谷的“开源与闭源 AI”之争。周一，英伟达宣布与包括微软、SpaceX 和 IBM 在内的多家公司联手，共同构建并共享开源 AI 安全工具。我们将探讨这场争论为何愈演愈烈，以及这是否会成为美国 AI 开发模式的一个转折点。
Leah Feiger: And over at the White House, Trump administration officials have some different opinions about what to do when it comes to AI. We’re going to talk about some of the key players influencing the Trump administration right now when it comes to AI policy and how they’re actively shaping the conversation on this for the entire country.
Leah Feiger: 在白宫方面，特朗普政府官员对于如何处理 AI 问题持有不同意见。我们将讨论目前影响特朗普政府 AI 政策的关键人物，以及他们如何积极地为全国塑造这一议题的讨论方向。
Brian Barrett: We’ll also break down why Claude chats were exposed in Google search and Bing searches. For those of you who are still on Bing, you are in this as well. For interesting reasons, we’ll get into it.
Brian Barrett: 我们还将剖析 Claude 的聊天记录为何会出现在谷歌和必应的搜索结果中。对于那些仍在使用必应的用户，你们也受到了波及。至于原因，非常有趣，我们稍后会详细说明。
Zoë Schiffer: Okay, you guys, we have to talk about this strange alliance that formed earlier this week. So, basically Nvidia announced was joining forces with more than 40 companies, including Microsoft, SpaceX, Palantir, and IBM to launch something called the Open Secure AI Alliance. Really rolls off the tongue. The stated goal is basically to build and share open source tools for AI-powered cybersecurity defense. But it’s really interesting because Google, OpenAI, and Anthropic are not on the list.
Zoë Schiffer: 好了，各位，我们必须谈谈本周早些时候形成的这个奇怪联盟。基本上，英伟达宣布与包括微软、SpaceX、Palantir 和 IBM 在内的 40 多家公司联手，推出了一个名为“开放安全 AI 联盟”（Open Secure AI Alliance）的组织。这名字读起来还挺顺口。其既定目标主要是构建和共享用于 AI 网络安全防御的开源工具。但有趣的是，谷歌、OpenAI 和 Anthropic 并不在名单之列。
Zoë Schiffer: And this news comes on the heels of this incident that happened last week where two OpenAI agents basically went rogue during a security test and breached the AI platform Hugging Face. And when Nvidia announced this alliance, they actually called out this incident by name and said, “It’s a clear reminder that cyber defenders need open frontier agentic systems for self-defense.”
Zoë Schiffer: 这则新闻紧随上周发生的一起事件而来：两个 OpenAI 的智能体在安全测试中“失控”，入侵了 AI 平台 Hugging Face。英伟达在宣布该联盟时，特意点名了这一事件，并表示：“这清楚地提醒我们，网络防御者需要开放的前沿智能体系统来进行自我防御。”
Zoë Schiffer: And it’s kind of exposed this long-simmering debate, which we’ve talked about a few times on the podcast, which is that the US has really largely up until this point abandoned open weight and open source in favor of going all in on proprietary systems, and now that’s becoming a bit of a problem.
Zoë Schiffer: 这在某种程度上暴露了我们曾在播客中多次讨论过的一个长期存在的争论：即到目前为止，美国在很大程度上放弃了开放权重和开源，转而全力投入专有系统，而现在这正逐渐成为一个问题。
Brian Barrett: This OpenAI incident has really kicked off so many intersecting issues. You’ve got open versus closed AI, you’ve got AI security and who’s responsible for it. You’ve got US regulation. We’re even at a point now where staffers from top intelligence firms, more than 1100 of them signed a petition calling on the US government to help deliberately pace “AI development” to prevent it from advancing too fast. They’re saying, “Please slow us down because this stuff is getting a little out of control.”
Brian Barrett: 这次 OpenAI 事件引发了许多相互交织的问题。包括开源与闭源 AI 之争、AI 安全及其责任归属，以及美国监管问题。我们甚至到了这样一个地步：来自顶级智能公司的 1100 多名员工签署了一份请愿书，呼吁美国政府帮助“刻意放缓”AI 开发速度，以防止其发展过快。他们说：“请让我们慢下来，因为这东西正变得有点失控。”
Brian Barrett: On top of which it turns out that OpenAI’s initial disclosure wasn’t even the full story. It came out on Tuesday evening that one of its agents actually broke into four different platforms that weren’t Hugging Face on its way to getting into Hugging Face. So, it’s less of a, here’s what this means, but it is really touching so many hot wires in the AI world right now and making a lot of conversations that have been put off for a while come to a head.
Brian Barrett: 最重要的是，事实证明 OpenAI 最初的披露甚至不是全部真相。周二晚上有消息称，其智能体在进入 Hugging Face 之前，实际上已经入侵了除 Hugging Face 之外的另外四个平台。所以，这不仅仅是一个简单的事件说明，它确实触及了当前 AI 领域许多敏感的神经，并使许多被搁置已久的讨论变得迫在眉睫。
Zoë Schiffer: Yeah, I was, I will say, pretty surprised to see that big open letter that you alluded to.
Zoë Schiffer: 是的，我不得不说，看到你提到的那封公开信时，我感到非常惊讶。
Archival audio: More than 1,000 workers from top AI firms have signed a petition calling on the US government to help, “deliberately pace AI development.” The signatories of the letter include the CEO of Anthropic and the chief scientists from OpenAI and Meta Super Intelligence Lab.
存档音频： 来自顶级 AI 公司的 1000 多名员工签署了一份请愿书，呼吁美国政府帮助“刻意放缓 AI 开发速度”。该信的签署人包括 Anthropic 的首席执行官，以及 OpenAI 和 Meta 超级智能实验室的首席科学家。
Zoë Schiffer: My thought was basically, did we learn nothing from Dario Amodei saying that AI is really scary and dangerous? And then having the US government come down pretty hard on Anthropic asking you might actually receive, I don’t know if they want the US government to do what it could do if they listen to the letter quite literally, but it does show that even people, I mean especially people working on AI systems are scared by what the race is doing.
Zoë Schiffer: 我的想法基本上是，Dario Amodei 说 AI 非常可怕且危险，难道我们什么都没学到吗？随后美国政府对 Anthropic 施加了很大压力……我不知道他们是否真的希望美国政府按照信中所写的那样采取行动，但这确实表明，即使是那些人——尤其是从事 AI 系统工作的人——也对这场竞赛所带来的后果感到恐惧。
Leah Feiger: Yeah, I mean we talked a lot about this last week for sure when we were talking about DC’s reaction and what’s going on from the White House perspective. I’ve been so curious about that split a little bit. Last week we talked a…
Leah Feiger: 是的，上周我们在讨论华盛顿的反应以及白宫方面的动态时，确实谈了很多。我对那种分歧一直很好奇。上周我们谈到了……