ICE’s DNA Collection Increases, SpaceX’s Rocket Crashes Into the Moon, and the AI Backlash Grows
ICE’s DNA Collection Increases, SpaceX’s Rocket Crashes Into the Moon, and the AI Backlash Grows
美国移民及海关执法局（ICE）DNA采集量激增、SpaceX火箭撞击月球，以及AI引发的抵制浪潮
This week on Uncanny Valley, Brian Barrett, Zoë Schiffer, and Leah Feiger break down how ICE has collected DNA from nearly a million people this year, including young children, feeding an FBI database indefinitely. The team also discusses the backlash against Google Earth’s AI slop, the White House’s secretive AI cybersecurity plan, and a SpaceX rocket crashing into the moon. Plus, WIRED’s Molly Taft discusses their recent story on the strange left-right coalition fighting data centers across the US.
在本周的《Uncanny Valley》节目中，Brian Barrett、Zoë Schiffer 和 Leah Feiger 深入探讨了美国移民及海关执法局（ICE）今年如何采集了近一百万人的 DNA（包括幼儿），并将这些数据无限期地存入联邦调查局（FBI）的数据库。团队还讨论了针对 Google Earth“AI 垃圾内容”的抵制浪潮、白宫保密的 AI 网络安全计划，以及 SpaceX 火箭撞击月球的事件。此外，WIRED 的资深撰稿人 Molly Taft 还分享了他们最近关于美国各地反对数据中心的“左右翼奇特联盟”的报道。
Zoë Schiffer: Welcome to WIRED’s Uncanny Valley. I’m Zoë Schiffer, contributing editor. Zoë Schiffer： 欢迎收听 WIRED 的《Uncanny Valley》。我是特约编辑 Zoë Schiffer。
Brian Barrett: I’m Brian Barrett, executive editor. Brian Barrett： 我是执行编辑 Brian Barrett。
Leah Feiger: And I’m Leah Feiger, director of politics and science. Leah Feiger： 我是政治与科学总监 Leah Feiger。
Brian Barrett: Today on the show, we’re talking about how the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, better known as ICE, has been collecting DNA samples at an alarming rate. These samples have led to hundreds of thousands of people, including young children, to end up in an FBI criminal database basically forever. Brian Barrett： 今天节目中，我们要讨论移民及海关执法局（即 ICE）如何以惊人的速度采集 DNA 样本。这些样本导致数十万人（包括幼儿）被永久性地录入 FBI 的犯罪数据库。
Zoë Schiffer: We’ll also get into one of our favorite topics, AI slop. From Google Earth disabling its new AI tool after people used it to create fake maps to Substack partnering with the AI writing detection tool Pangram, companies are starting to realize that people really don’t like low-quality AI content flooding their feeds. Zoë Schiffer： 我们还将探讨我们最喜欢的话题之一：AI 垃圾内容（AI slop）。从 Google Earth 在用户利用其新 AI 工具制作虚假地图后将其禁用，到 Substack 与 AI 写作检测工具 Pangram 合作，各大公司开始意识到，人们确实不喜欢低质量的 AI 内容充斥他们的信息流。
Leah Feiger: Also in the realm of AI, the White House announced a plan to tackle the increasing security risks brought on by AI companies. It’s keeping the details mostly under wraps, but we’re going to discuss what’s behind all the secrecy and what this could mean for future regulation. Leah Feiger： 同样在 AI 领域，白宫宣布了一项旨在应对 AI 公司带来的日益严重的安全风险的计划。虽然细节大多处于保密状态，但我们将讨论这些保密措施背后的原因，以及这对未来监管意味着什么。
Brian Barrett: We’ll also talk about how part of a SpaceX rocket crashed into the moon, leaving a new crater behind and all kinds of questions. Brian Barrett： 我们还将讨论 SpaceX 火箭的一部分如何撞击了月球，留下了一个新的陨石坑，并引发了各种疑问。
Leah Feiger: And later in the show, WIRED senior writer Molly Taft joins to tell us all about how data centers have officially broken US politics. Leah Feiger： 在节目后半段，WIRED 资深撰稿人 Molly Taft 将加入我们，讲述数据中心是如何正式“破坏”了美国政治的。
Brian Barrett: Well, to start off, let’s talk about ICE, which we haven’t in a little bit, but they’re still there. They’re still doing bad things, including collecting DNA samples. WIRED’s Dhruv Mehrotra reported this week about how ICE has collected nearly 1 million people’s DNA this past year, just this past year alone, including that of young children. As we mentioned up top, this DNA collection has led to hundreds of thousands of people with no criminal convictions ending up in an FBI database indefinitely. And in fact, the Department of Homeland Security has become the single largest source of new profiles in this database. Brian Barrett： 那么，首先我们来谈谈 ICE。虽然我们有一阵子没提他们了，但他们依然存在，并且仍在做一些糟糕的事情，包括采集 DNA 样本。WIRED 的 Dhruv Mehrotra 本周报道称，ICE 仅在过去一年里就采集了近一百万人的 DNA，其中包括幼儿。正如我们开头提到的，这种 DNA 采集导致数十万没有任何犯罪记录的人被无限期地录入 FBI 数据库。事实上，国土安全部已成为该数据库中新档案的最大单一来源。
Leah Feiger: I feel like we’re getting inundated with here’s one more part of your privacy, here’s one more part of security, here’s one more bit of immigrants being treated as subhuman. But this one, at least enough for me, broke through the noise. Don’t you guys think? This was wild. Leah Feiger： 我感觉我们被各种消息淹没了：又一部分隐私被侵犯，又一部分安全受到威胁，又一点移民被非人化对待。但这件事，至少对我来说，突破了这些噪音。你们不觉得吗？这太疯狂了。
Zoë Schiffer: I feel like I have a question before we move forward, which is maybe one that’s shared by listeners. Why is DNA being collected from immigrants in the first place? This surprised me, and maybe I’m a little naïve about what they’re subjected to when they’re in this country. Zoë Schiffer： 在继续之前，我有一个问题，也许听众们也有同样的疑问：为什么首先要采集移民的 DNA？这让我很惊讶，也许我对他们在这个国家所遭受的待遇了解得太天真了。
Brian Barrett: Yeah, I mean, I think the answer is because they can. And I wish that we’re more nuanced or subtle than that, but I think they are just trying to gather as much information as they can at all times. I want to be clear too, these are not people with criminal convictions, people who are even necessarily suspected of a crime. It is just such a wide net that they are casting. In fact, internal training materials that drove, in partnership with researchers at Georgetown, we should say, dug up, said that asylum seekers and refugees who have not adjusted their immigration status must have their DNA sampled and that the DNA needs to be collected after any arrest. It is just table stakes for these officers to grab DNA whenever and wherever they can. Brian Barrett： 是的，我认为答案就是因为他们“可以这样做”。我希望情况能更微妙或复杂一些，但我认为他们只是想随时随地尽可能多地收集信息。我也想明确一点，这些人并没有犯罪记录，甚至不一定被怀疑犯了罪。他们撒下的网实在太大了。事实上，Dhruv 与乔治城大学的研究人员合作挖掘出的内部培训材料显示，尚未调整移民身份的寻求庇护者和难民必须进行 DNA 采样，且必须在任何逮捕行动后采集 DNA。对这些官员来说，随时随地获取 DNA 已经成了他们的“基本操作”。
Leah Feiger: And already a lot of lawmakers have been speaking out against this. For example, when learning that children were being swabbed at a family detention center in Dilley, Texas, a number of representatives said in a joint statement to WIRED, none of the families at Dilley have been convicted of a crime. They do not belong in a database meant for violent criminals, especially children. This is starting to pick up steam across the board. I think that we’ve just gotten so used to the idea that the government is allowed to collect any information it wants, store it in whichever way it wants. And all of these norms have been destroyed in the last year and a half. It’s really shocking, honestly. Leah Feiger： 已经有很多立法者对此表示反对。例如，当得知德克萨斯州迪利（Dilley）的一个家庭拘留中心正在对儿童进行口腔拭子采样时，多位众议员在给 WIRED 的联合声明中表示，迪利的家庭中没有一个人被判有罪。他们不属于旨在记录暴力罪犯的数据库，尤其是儿童。这件事正在引起广泛关注。我认为我们已经太习惯于“政府可以随意收集任何信息，并以任何方式存储”这种观念了。在过去一年半里，所有这些准则都被破坏了。老实说，这真的很令人震惊。
Zoë Schiffer: So you’re saying basically that refusing to allow your DNA to be collected can become its own chart, can become a mark on your record regardless of what you had previously. Zoë Schiffer： 所以你的意思是，拒绝采集 DNA 本身就可能成为一项指控，成为你记录上的一个污点，无论你之前的情况如何。
Brian Barrett: Not only a mark on your record. WIRED and Dhruv identified two prosecutions filed in 2025 against people in immigrat… Brian Barrett： 不仅仅是记录上的污点。WIRED 和 Dhruv 发现了 2025 年针对移民提起的两起诉讼……