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JB Pritzker thinks AI could help us live to 100 — or threaten us like nukes

PodcastsAIPolicyJB Pritzker thinks AI could help us live to 100 — or threaten us like nukesThe Illinois governor on AI, data centers, privacy, and Trump.If you buy something from a link, The Verge may earn a commission. See our ethics statement.by Nilay PatelOct 19, 2026, 2:30 PM UTC

伊利诺伊州州长 JB Pritzker 认为人工智能既能帮助我们活到 100 岁，也可能像核武器一样威胁我们。本文探讨了这位州长对人工智能、数据中心、隐私和特朗普的看法。

If you buy something from a link, The Verge may earn a commission. See our ethics statement.Nilay Patel is editor-in-chief of The Verge, host of the Decoder podcast, and co-host of The Vergecast.Today, I’m talking with Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, who has a lot of thoughts about AI, tech, and privacy.

如果您通过链接购买商品，The Verge 可能会获得佣金。请参阅我们的道德声明。Nilay Patel 是 The Verge 的主编、Decoder 播客的主持人以及 The Vergecast 的联合主持人。今天，我将与伊利诺伊州州长 JB Pritzker 对话，他对人工智能、科技和隐私有很多想法。

If you’ve been listening to the show, you know that one of my running theories is that those issues are driving a big and maybe kind of unexpected political realignment — and with the midterms coming up next month, and early voting already underway in a lot of places, the stakes are pretty high right now.

如果您一直在收听我们的节目，您就会知道我的一个持续观点是，这些问题正在推动一场重大且可能有些出人意料的政治重组。随着下个月中期选举的临近，许多地方的提前投票已经开始，目前的局势非常关键。

So I asked Gov. Pritzker about all that, and he was surprisingly willing to dive right into the absolute existential weeds of what government is even for. You’ll hear him say — and it’s hard to disagree — that some problems are just collective action problems that require the government to do a lot of work. We can’t solve all these problems one at a time, or even one state at a time. It’s a pretty deep conversation, and we really got into it on a lot of issues.

因此，我询问了 Pritzker 州长关于这一切的看法，他非常乐意深入探讨政府存在的根本意义。您会听到他说——这一点很难反驳——有些问题纯粹是集体行动问题，需要政府投入大量工作。我们无法一次解决所有这些问题，甚至无法逐个州地解决。这是一次非常深入的对话，我们确实探讨了许多议题。

And of course, I had to ask him: Are the Bears gonna stay in Illinois?Before we get going, do me a favor and subscribe to Decoder on YouTube, where we put out new episodes every Monday and Thursday.Okay: Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker. Here we go. Gov. JB Pritzker, you’re the governor of Illinois. Welcome to Decoder.

当然，我必须问他：芝加哥熊队会留在伊利诺伊州吗？在开始之前，请帮个忙，订阅 YouTube 上的 Decoder，我们每周一和周四都会发布新剧集。好的：伊利诺伊州州长 JB Pritzker。我们开始吧。JB Pritzker 州长，您是伊利诺伊州的州长。欢迎来到 Decoder。

Thanks, Nilay. Great to be with you.I am very excited to talk to you. We’re in the heart of midterm season. You are running for reelection. I have to tell you. I have to be very honest with you. I personally feel a lot of pressure in this interview, not only because I’m speaking to a governor, but because I went to school in Chicago. My sister still lives in Chicago. My wife grew up in Illinois. Her entire family is farmers in North Central Illinois. Boy, do I have a list of questions for you. I have to do a good job here.

谢谢，Nilay。很高兴能与你交谈。我非常兴奋能和你对话。我们正处于中期选举季的核心时期。你正在竞选连任。我必须告诉你，我必须对你非常坦诚。我个人在这次采访中感到压力很大，不仅因为我是在和一位州长交谈，还因为我曾在芝加哥上学。我的姐姐仍然住在芝加哥。我的妻子在伊利诺伊州长大。她的全家都是伊利诺伊州中北部的农民。天哪，我有一长串问题要问你。我必须在这里表现出色。

Well, we’re claiming you. Now that I know all that, we’re claiming you. You’re an Illinoisan.Verge subscribers, don’t forget you get exclusive access to ad-free Decoder wherever you get your podcasts. Head here. Not a subscriber? You can sign up here.

好吧，我们认领你了。既然我知道了这一切，我们认领你了。你就是伊利诺伊州人。Verge 的订阅者们，别忘了无论您在哪里收听播客，都可以独家享受无广告版的 Decoder。点击这里。还不是订阅者？您可以在这里注册。

I don’t know about that. I grew up in Wisconsin. Here’s my first question for you. I’m a die-hard Packers fan. Are you going to let the Bears move to Indiana?That is not our intention. We are, in fact, in discussions with the Bears and the NFL about keeping the Bears either in Chicago or in Arlington Heights, but in Illinois.

我对此表示怀疑。我在威斯康星州长大。这是我的第一个问题。我是包装工队的死忠粉。你会让熊队搬到印第安纳州吗？那不是我们的意图。事实上，我们正在与熊队和 NFL 进行讨论，旨在将熊队留在芝加哥或阿灵顿高地，但必须是在伊利诺伊州。

I’m saying, as a Packers fan, nothing is funnier than the outcome of the Bears moving to Indiana. I just want to put that out there. Openly biased in this case — I own two shares of that stock — but I’m going to make the comparison here. And the reason I started there is not only because I think that’s a funny outcome, although I do, but it feels like we are in the middle of a generational political realignment.

我想说的是，作为一名包装工队球迷，没有什么比熊队搬到印第安纳州的结果更滑稽的了。我只是想表达这一点。在这种情况下，我公开偏袒——我拥有该股票的两股——但我还是要在这里做一个比较。我从这里开始的原因不仅是因为我认为这是一个有趣的结果，尽管确实如此，而且感觉我们正处于一代人政治重组的中心。

I’m sure you feel that, in this election campaign, the idea of big business and how that should interact with the government, and how the government should be able to push back on big business and not give in to big business. All of that feels up for grabs.

我相信你一定感觉到，在这次竞选中，关于大企业及其应如何与政府互动，以及政府应如何能够反击大企业而不向其屈服的理念，所有这些似乎都处于争夺之中。

And the comparison I will make in this specific case is your fellow governor, Gavin Newsom, in California. They sued the Ellison family, Paramount, over the Warner Brothers merger. Paramount threatened to leave. They made a lot of noise about Nashville, Texas, Miami, or wherever you make noise about these days, and it feels like Newsom caved. It feels like he pressured his Attorney General, Rob Bonta, to settle that lawsuit and keep them there.

在这个特定案例中，我要做的比较是你的同行，加利福尼亚州州长 Gavin Newsom。他们因华纳兄弟的合并起诉了 Ellison 家族和派拉蒙公司。派拉蒙威胁要离开。他们大肆宣扬纳什维尔、德克萨斯州、迈阿密，或者任何你们最近常提到的地方，感觉 Newsom 屈服了。感觉他向他的总检察长 Rob Bonta 施压，要求和解那场诉讼并将他们留在那里。

They settled the lawsuit. The next day, the Ellison family is like, “We never… We’re from California. We would never leave.” I see a parallel here with the Bears that is connected to that larger realignment, how government and business should interact. Do you see that parallel? Do you feel that realignment?

他们和解了诉讼。第二天，Ellison 家族就说：“我们从来没有……我们来自加利福尼亚。我们永远不会离开。”我在这里看到了与熊队情况的相似之处，这与那种更广泛的重组有关，即政府和企业应该如何互动。你看到这种相似之处了吗？你感觉到那种重组了吗？

Well, what I can tell you is we’re pretty tough negotiators in Chicago and Illinois, and that’s really what we’re in the midst of now with the Bears. But I understand your point about realignment. I mean, there is a generational change, and I think it’s also an attitudinal change about protecting taxpayers, protecting people who frankly are among the most vulnerable to all the technology that’s overtaking people’s lives and invading people’s homes.

嗯，我可以告诉你的是，我们在芝加哥和伊利诺伊州是非常强硬的谈判者，这正是我们目前与熊队谈判的情况。但我理解你关于重组的观点。我的意思是，确实存在代际变化，我认为这也是一种关于保护纳税人的态度转变，保护那些坦率地说在所有接管人们生活并侵入人们家庭的技术面前最脆弱的人群。

And so I do believe that the government has to be more active now and become a fighter for our people and not just a collaborator with business on everything. I’m a businessman, as you know, before I became governor. But I also know that, for the people of Illinois anyway, my job is to protect the working people of this state who often don’t have anybody protecting them except a government that will stand up for them. So that’s kind of the realignment that I see.

因此，我确实认为政府现在必须更加积极，成为我们人民的斗士，而不仅仅是在所有事情上都与企业合作。如你所知，在成为州长之前，我是一名商人。但我也知道，对于伊利诺伊州的人民来说，我的工作是保护这个州的劳动人民，他们往往除了一个愿意为他们挺身而出的政府之外，没有人保护他们。这就是我所看到的重组。

And that generational shift, I agree with you. It’s partly a Democratic Party generational shift. Generationally, we’re a little more aggressive. And I’m probably older than the next generation that’s already possibly taking office this November. I’m 61 years old, but I think of myself as having come out of the tech world and as somebody who has been a fighter for progressive values that, yeah, we’ve got to become more aggressive and make sure we’re standing up for our people.

对于那种代际转变，我同意你的看法。这在一定程度上是民主党的代际转变。从代际上讲，我们稍微激进一些。我可能比今年 11 月可能上任的下一代人要年长。我今年 61 岁，但我认为自己来自科技界，并且一直是一个为进步价值观而奋斗的人，是的，我们必须变得更加激进，确保我们为我们的人民挺身而出。

There are two places where I see the realignment in particular. One is data centers, one is privacy, and you just see that as a bipartisan backlash to those things. I would actually add a third, which is antitrust broadly. It’s weird if you go into Silicon Valley. David Sacks is retweeting Lina Khan from the Biden administration talking about whether the AI industry needs an antitrust exemption.

我特别看到了两个方面的重组。一个是数据中心，一个是隐私，你看到的只是对这些事物的两党反弹。我实际上会增加第三个，即广泛的反垄断。如果你进入硅谷，会觉得很奇怪。David Sacks 正在转发拜登政府 Lina Khan 的推文，讨论人工智能行业是否需要反垄断豁免。